Jason Henry: Healing, Personal Growth, and Building a Relationship With Yourself First

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hey everybody it's me Chris Herrmann here for another episode of on Deck a special episode episode 99 yes 99

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episodes of on Deck are now fully recorded and almost live so that's a big

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day today my guest is a repeat guest it's Jason Henry you might remember Jason from a few months ago met Jason at a tantra event that my wife

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and I attended uh four or five months ago or so and uh Jason is back today to

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share some new experiences that he's had uh in terms of growth growth and development over the last few months and so we dive into a lot we talk about we

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talk about Tantra we talk about Ayahuasca we talk about aliens just a little bit and I really enjoyed the conversation

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and know that you will too so without further Ado here we go it's Mr Jason Henry

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well we're rolling awesome Jason welcome back man thank you I'm happy to be here how are you bud I'm amazing you've had some you've had some interesting

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experiences over the last uh period of time it's probably been what about three months yeah about three months and I'd have to say in those three months I

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probably have had the biggest Spurt of growth in my entire life um you know for those you know that need

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the introduction Jason Henry is a review you're a repeat guest here um on the podcast we did our first episode about three weeks three months

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Ago excuse me and we had met um my wife and I attended a tantra Workshop that uh you and your at the

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time girlfriend were putting on and then we did the episode we had a really interesting conversation and now here we are about three months later and a lot

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has changed in your life so just to tee a few things up we were just talking about you know some military stuff that we I'd like to get

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into with you at some point in time I know you do yeah but let's let's let's let's just uh why don't you update on everybody update on everybody wow see I

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haven't done a podcast in a couple weeks or more Rusty um what's been going on man well

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um you touched based on the fact that you know my at then girlfriend of course I had the breakup um I had coveted unfortunately right you

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know I had scared skirted by the last several years just you know kind of not taking as many precautions as a lot of

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the people that I know I mean we are blessed being here in Florida you know South Florida so we didn't have as many of the restrictions that a lot of a lot

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of other places did Amen to that I know my god um but you know I considered myself a very lucky soul for quite some time and

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boy it hit me it hit me hard dude it did in fact um I you know I didn't know it

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previously but apparently there is some uh likelihood that some people that catch covet get a stroke

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um because kova does cause blood clots and occasionally they zip up to the brain so the very first day that it hit me

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um I used to experience these things after the war called cluster headaches cluster headaches are super painful in fact so painful they call them suicide

headaches because a lot of people end up you know putting an end to the pain any way they possibly can it feels like a

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hot poker in your left eyeball usually and um I thought I was experiencing one of those which was odd because I hadn't had

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them for almost a year and then it just felt radically different and it's hard to explain it's almost as

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if you know like a reset button was pushed on my brain and my central nervous system and the

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strange thing is like you know life has this strange way of taking what your biggest fears are and putting them right

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in your face and for the longest time I'm I've never I wasn't scared of coven and here it hit me hard I'm not scared of heart attacks or anything like that

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but I've always been scared of having a stroke because I know that a stroke you really sure some of the mitigating factors are similar to the heart attack

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and you know I work out and I keep myself healthy and I eat a good diet and I try to live a stress-free life but um

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but you know the uncertainty of when a stroke could hit and the fact that you know sometimes you could be paralyzed after the stroke or left as a in a

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vegetative state always kind of the loss of control in the situation always scared me so here it hit me I'm

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curious but but how did you I mean what did you do what you said you felt like you were having one of these massive headaches but then you noticed something different so it shifted yeah what did

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you do I mean and how did you determine that you in fact had a stroke because you don't look like yes I know luckily luckily I mean my tongue was numb for a

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little while I couldn't really I stumbled with words and had a difficult time talking and you know of course this was the first day that I got coveted so

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several days after I pretty much spent the entirety of it in bed I had done um two different tests

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um to find out that if if it was in fact a stroke and both of them came back as not a hundred percent because one's an

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EEG test and the other one is like a a test where you've gotta like look in certain directions and blink a bunch of

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different times where they they're looking in your eyeball basically um so they you know I go through the VA hospital and so they scheduled me an

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appointment with a neurologist and who will eventually do an MRI to find out if there's any lesions on the brain it's a great way to try to find out because if

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a blood clot was big enough and it passed through the brain it's going to cause a little bit of damage so

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they can spot those in an MRI is what I was told but but I'm still curious like what's I mean so something registered inside of you to say I need to get

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checked for this correct it was it was unlike any experience I've ever felt in my entire life I feel like maybe I had a stroke yeah really yeah but without any

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of like the numbing sort of losing sensation I'm telling you if if I I feel like most people that have had Strokes

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at least the first stroke that they have they they're it's a feeling unlike anything you've ever experienced before so you start to

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ask some questions and not all Strokes lead to partial paralysis or full paralysis or anything like that I mean it really depends on the size of the

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blood clot and how much damage is done um but I do have to say it was I don't look it as a bad thing because

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now after I had this experience and I'll find out later down the road if it was 100 a stroke hopefully they're able to

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tell me that but I'm no longer scared of Strokes anymore you know I think the fear that most

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people have or the fear of the unknown I would imagine right so you know now I get to experience life with one of my

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biggest fears completely neutral where did this fear come from like how does one have a fear of stroke

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well I'm an anatomy and physiology geek I spend way too much time trying to research how the how the not just how

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the brain works but how the body functions overall everybody's got their one guilty pleasure that they like to you you know you have music yeah and I

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spend a lot of time trying to memorize how the body works I mean everything from hormone levels to how Muscle fascia operates how the how the isometric

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motion of different muscles operate I mean it it goes along with what I do for work but it's just been an innate

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curiosity for a large percentage of my life and uh um I do know somebody whose father had a

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stroke when I was when I was younger and I just remembered thinking wow you know as a kid you think if someone could

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become paralyzed it's because of you know like an accident or so you know they they hit their head or they got in

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a car accident or something like that but to just be sitting on your couch and then boom three minutes later you can't

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operate half of your face um I don't know that just that always my friend that always kind of scared me

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interesting my grandfather had a stroke you know he was like he was in his late 70s early 80s at the time I remember you know he was they were living in Colorado

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and he was lighting the fireplace and all of a sudden just like you know and but it now it didn't affect him like

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massively you know but he did get you know some of that little droop and a little bit of that loss of sensation and

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control on yeah on one side of his face that when and body to some degree that was with him for most of his life but I mean it it wasn't it wasn't serious but

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oh all I can say is I'm whatever I had if it was you know if it was the stroke it could now I no longer have to be

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scared of it if it wasn't a stroke then at least I know what a stroke might feel like a little bit so at least I can live

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life comfortably without having that fear I have a question and it's a it's kind of a personal question but I like it's it's my number one curiosity right

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now about this did you get the Jab did I get the jab I did not get that you did not I did not and I'll tell you why

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I didn't get the uh the vaccine um is because when they say follow the science I had a

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hard time my sticking point was when they started ordering people to go ahead and get the vaccine that had recently recovered from covid yeah when you have

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the antibodies in your you know in your system that's not following the science you know like if you just recently got

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covered what's the point of getting a vaccination I'm so relieved that that was your answer okay because

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um you know I did not we did not get vaccinated either and and I did have covid yeah

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um and I didn't have a you know it was a it was a it was a long two-week cold that also took an additional two weeks to recover from

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but I you know I did not get the vaccine or my wife none of us did and I'm I'm very happy and so when you told me that

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you got a you had like a blood clot and a potential stroke I hate to say it my mind was like I wonder if I want to face I wonder if

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he got it from the vaccine because there have been a lot of oh yeah blood and cardiovascular related injuries and

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death as a result right and so I'm I'm I I I knew I had to ask you the question right but I was kind of afraid you were

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going to say yes because I didn't want to have to go down that road with you but at the same time I also didn't want to but um I I also did not want to avoid

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the question so of course and and I'll say this now so we don't fall down the same trap as Joe Rogan did

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um if you got the vaccine wonderful yeah just consult your doctor exactly as simple as that and and that's how I feel

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about it too it's a personal choice and uh most of my family did my you know and and fine oh yeah fine good

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you know I just um I'm glad that I didn't and if other people are glad that they did that's fine it's a personal choice I'm with you though this whole forcing and like that that was a big

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stickler for you when when you say hey you just recently had covid but go ahead and get vaccinated anyway and when

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there's such a push you know I I you know someone's telling me to do something so so forcefully I'm probably

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gonna Rebel that's just my nature so it tends to be a lot okay all right good we made it through that so you're healthy

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yes you've recovered covid you know it sucks it does but it's totally

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survivable for most healthy people that is which is good and thank God after all this time as a combination of and listen

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I mean I would say clearly vaccines have made a big impact on being able to help the whole world move forward in a lot of ways right so I've I've been vaccinated

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with every other type of me too so me too me too um all right so

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I'm so relieved I was like oh God I gotta asked this question I gotta ask this question all right anyway but so let's let's keep

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going so all right but more I I know you're more interested and more intrigued by it so am I this sort of this feeling of reset that you've you've

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experienced exactly well you know it's just it's strange because it is it's a metaphor I mean this reset button

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that was kind of pushed on my brain and central nervous system kind of correlates with what has happened since the last time I saw you I've had a great

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reset in my life in general I'm still doing Tantra which is what you came to see me for for the first time and my

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business has flourished absolutely flourished I've had that breakup but that breakup I'm happy that it happened

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I'm very happy that it happened and the reason why I'm happy that it happened is it brought out a brand new version of myself you know like I won't go into

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details because you know I mean like she is still personally it is personal but we both made mistakes but um

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the big deal is now I get to move forward in life and be who I genuinely am you know like before there was always

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a sense because you know my ex was with me during a very inspirational growing period of my life

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right and now I get to utilize those tools that I learned during that period I know I no longer get to be

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somebody who needs the people please you know like as at those that have watched the previous podcast know that I came

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from a very abusive and very challenging childhood and what abuse victims

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what we tend to go through is how do I put this we tend to nurture our

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relationships from that point going forward as a safety net we tend to try to

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over exaggerate who we are as a person and people please the people that we try to develop these bonds with as a safety

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net so we have a support system in case we fall again you know like a lot of times abuse victims will be overly

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supportive to the abuser in an effort to make sure that they still have that person in their life

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to catch them if they fall and they tend to repeat that cycle over and over and over again so

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now I get to break that mold now I get to move forward in relationships romantic relationships uh you know

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friendly relationships with people going forward being my own genuine self I get to put into play what I developed during

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that last relationship during that last period of my life now I'm comfortable saying no and I really feel like saying

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no now I get to comfortably be who I really am in the moment and now I get to start relationships

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from that wonderful space of just being who I am without having to worry about needing that person as a safety net in

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case Things fall through I have a friend who's been on the show a couple times and you know he's gotten to this point in his life and I I admire this and I

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laugh about it because he's very clear at this point in time he'll say to me to anybody yeah Hey listen I just want you

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to know that you know like if we go do this thing together right and if I'm not having a good time I'm just leaving like don't don't be you know like if we're at

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a concert or doing something and for whatever reason two songs in I'm just like I'm not into it I'm just gonna leave that's not you know don't take that the wrong way but I just don't want

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to spend time doing anything I don't want to do anymore isn't that wonderful and it doesn't have to just be for activities you know what's funny is we

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can fail at things that we dislike doing so if we're looking at it as a job opportunity or work opportunity right we

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can easily jump back up on the mic we can easily fail at doing things that we dislike so why not just spend what

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little bit of time you have on Earth we just have a fraction of time and we have what 75 80 years at most

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so if you you know if you have the percentage of failure or the opportunity for failure of doing things that you

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dislike in Life or even if you're just doing events like your friend going to that concert well why not spend your time doing something that your heart wants to do

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right doing something that you actually enjoy because then let's say if it's in the workspace and you fail well hell you just got to spend time doing something

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that you love totally it's it's just so funny I'm still thinking this guy and like you know he's he's gotten that point as I'm getting there as well too

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when people say hey do you want to go do this no no I don't know a great answer doesn't it feel great and it makes me think you ever watch uh Curb Your

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Enthusiasm with Harry David like he's like the ultimate curmudgeon right like but but there's something honest about that when they're like you know how do

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you want to do it she's like no no I no I that wouldn't be fun for me at all right and it comes across as being totally rude and off-putting but he's

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being done honest and you know what it's like getting to that point where you're just like nah I don't want to do that exactly that's okay and how often do we

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do that you know like I mean I hate to say but I did that in my last relationship over and over and over no no just going

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along with the flow oh yeah we all do that yeah we all do that well you're trying to like you're making the effort right you're making the effort but if

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it's not something that you thoroughly enjoy and that's the thing you might be making the effort but deep down inside you're disappointing the person that

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you're making that effort for because what they really want is you to be genuine and be yourself well in some cases they they're hoping that you're

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going to enjoy it to the same level that they do and right and if you're if you're I'm making the effort I'm going to do and I can think of a few things like this and it's just part of your

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development as a human in a relationship but it's like yeah you you make the effort to go you know be a part of

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something but if you're not into it it shows and the other person feels it right for sure so it's just like

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okay we don't you know we we can understand that we each have things that we like more that you know you like certain things I like certain things

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sometimes we do those things together as a means of like sharing the experience bonding experience right yeah but we don't always have to do it right you

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know because it's like you know I wouldn't want my wife to come along to something multiple times that she's just not digging that much right you know

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occasionally if she's got a good attitude about it let's check it out great but I I don't expect her to have the same loves of things that I love I

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mean I you know I could go I could go to some [ __ ] [ __ ] Rock Club and watch some dirty ass punk rock band play once a week in New York that's I that

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was where I that was where I you know so you say shitty and dirty then that's that's the one place yeah that's the one right and I spent plenty of time there

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in high school and early college Years but that's not for everybody right that's not for everybody just because I dig that doesn't mean that somebody else

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oh trust me I know many of people that be walking around with some you know Lysol at that place I never use the bathroom there thanks I have and

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unfortunately you you were a very wise man it was it was it is a place it is it is a horrible place of Legend

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but that was part of what made it it's gave it its uh infamy basically right you didn't have to take a [ __ ] there did you no thankfully I didn't right I can't

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imagine anybody even I mean unless you were just about to explode I don't know why anybody would because there was no stall there was no no it was like literally like a toilet sitting in the

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middle of like this horrendous uh-huh I don't think they cleaned in 40 years oh it's just awful all right well we

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didn't come here to talk about the the [ __ ] at CBG but somehow full spectrum we're covering everything

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you start to get to know somebody at at a certain point in time you start talking about poop

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weapons oh all right what are we talking about we were talking about people blazing exactly I say no to that toilet there we

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go I would say no to that toilet as well um so you know like since since the last time you saw me since the last time I was on this podcast

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um I've had this profound growth I mean like I said my business has exploded um and I'm quite happy for that I've

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been working on writing a book I'm probably about 80 done with the manuscript now oh yeah oh yeah um it's about building a connection with

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yourself and with others around you and of course it's Tantra inspired because that's what I do for a living right um but it's about finding

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who you are as a person you know like every single relationship that you have with anybody should start with the

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relationship for yourself just like you go and you take a flight and they give you that briefing and they say if you're a parent make sure you put that mask on

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yourself before you put it on the kid because it's not going to be useful if you pass out and then you can't put it you know on your kid period And so it's

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the same thing like you know every relationship whether it be romantic or not needs to start with just figuring

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out who you are figuring out what you want in life figuring out what makes you happy and then growing on that because

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the if if we're talking about romantic relationships your romantic partner wants you to be the best quality person

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that you could possibly become and once you to thoroughly be happy with yourself I mean those are very attractive

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qualities you agree right so by focusing your relationship not by the relationship that you have with somebody

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else and that bond that you have with somebody else but by really centering that attention on the bond that you have with your your own self and doing the

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investment the investment physically by staying healthy and working out by mentally by challenging yourself by

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whether diving into work opportunities or growing intellectually by taking classes and then Also spiritually by

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taking some spiritual classes or doing things that you know you you can see as a mental vacation where you're still

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building importance for yourself like those key factors uh stimulate personal

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growth and if you don't have personal growth then you're always going to feel like you're missing a key component of

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yourself and your own happiness so by building that relationship with yourself and making yourself I don't need I'm not

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saying that you need to be egotistical or you need to be selfish or greedy but what I'm saying is like hey like if you have some free time do something that

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makes you happy if you have some I say take at least one day a week take a day that you know that you can tackle things

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uh you know in a light Manner and just focus on doing things like you you play the guitar

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you know like spend some quality time doing something because so many people get so caught up in life and people pleasing that they spend all of their

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energy and focus doing stuff for other people or they sit around on the couch playing video games yeah I don't do that I don't either I understand video games

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no and I don't I and I really I I don't know that I spent a lot of time people pleasing it doesn't mean that I don't try to be pleasing to people correct and

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understanding and whatever but you know while my wife and kids were away the whole summer in Russia I didn't go to the beach once and we

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live a mile from there right and my wife was like I can't believe you like you didn't go swim in the ocean you'd and normally I would right yeah but I have

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just had such a burning passion about music for a period of time now that it's the

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it's it's basically the first thing that I think about when I wake up in the morning and it's usually the last thing I'm thinking about before I go to bed right so now you've had all this free

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time without the wife and the kids I was here you got a chance to really I was here almost every minute either playing yeah or tinkering or thinking about like

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and like I'm crazy about it but like okay is this guitar the best guitar for this song like like constantly thinking

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about like our set list and crafting this thing it's it's what gives me an incredible sense of joy and I I don't

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know that Joy is the right word I'm not like oh you know that's why I'm doing it but I just I love to do it I can spend hours

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playing thinking about music tinkering with [ __ ] around here I like you know this whole place I just that gives me a

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great sense of Joy now I can re now I do know that I'm particularly I'm a little out of balance right

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because two years ago I was you know very aggressively training for Triathlon and in in my best

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shape right fast but I didn't have all the guitar stuff going on then right I did it like I had you weren't waking up in the morning wishing that you were

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running I'm sure you're still waking up in the morning wishing you were no I was I was I was majorly like focused on training I was getting up at 3 45 I was

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and I love that version of me I've had a hard time getting back to that because I now there's something else in my life that is sort of fulfilling me yeah but I

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also recognize it's like okay I've gotta now I have to balance it out I have to bring this piece back right it can't it can't all be this you

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know it I've got to bring this piece back to balance it all out and by bringing this piece back then I can move everything forward yeah because if I

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don't if I don't take care of myself and you know this if you don't take care of yourself physically you're not really your best and you're not moving the things forward as as you as you could be

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exactly right so you know it's it's um but to the point it's like you know

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maybe sometimes I'm too selfish like I do a lot of things that are just specifically pleasing to me but hey during this period while she and the

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kids were away you had the appropriate opportunity to be selfish to grow do you feel like you evolved as a musician just in the short period of time oh yeah

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absolutely 100 that's good right yes and does that build your self-confidence

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as a musician yeah uh it definitely in that area of life and then a little bit in carry over just in the terms of just having a sense of satisfaction that I'm

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enjoying doing it you know so I would say it's time well spent right I agree yeah I agree

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so uh yeah so to jump back into what we were talking about is you know since the last time I was on this podcast this

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period of growth I've taken time to do the things that I enjoy like writing this book it's been profound I don't I

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would highly suggest for people even if you're not going to jump into writing a book like Journal you know like put your thoughts down somewhere else outside of

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your head you know like the audio notes in the iPhone work amazingly well for this because the second you can offload

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it to some place that you know you have it to listen to later it means less things are swirling around in your brain

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less things are swirling around on your mind like as a tantra practitioner what I do with all of my clients is to get

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them out of their headspace and get them thinking intuitively get them back into their body get them feeling like four

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Tantra the sensation of touch is super important and the reason why Tantra utilizes that sensation of touch is you

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know to give the brain just a little bit of a break you know like we tend to overly work and you know especially as

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men and our masculine in the frontal lobe the frontal cortex of our brain and we

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over worry and over stress I mean that's how that's how stress develops it's just the fact that you can't get out of your head things are circling around you have

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worries and fears and a complete list of different items that you need to accomplish and different

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things that you need to do and you know for my clients and for the people that go to the workshops for Tantra it is you

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know very relieving for them to just take a two hour break for a while and so

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by journaling or by spending time writing this book I get a chance to sit in that the entirety of the time that

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I'm journaling or the entirety of the time that I'm writing and push stuff out of here and into my phone or into into

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my writing and it's super therapeutic it is it really is and uh it's the biggest thing that I could I could suggest to

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anybody who's completely stressed out is just offloading the things that are stressing them onto another medium and

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it's there they can jump back to it if they need to worry and stress about it later but at least that brief period of time where they've completely wiped the

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Slate clean for a while happiness does come yeah it's it's um there's a number of ways to do that

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right I mean there's the but but the ACT is essentially the same it's like it either you're communicating it down into the form of of the written word or the

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recorded word I'm not much of a writer but I can see myself doing this for the rest of my life and this this will be my

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therapeutic release and also my way of journalizing and chronicling journaling and chronicling my my thoughts this is much better than a voice note on the

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phone yeah it just it's it's it suits me better right I I don't see myself writing a book i j i I'm not that much

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of a sit down and right kind of guy that being said there is this quality of it's it's like even if you've got a lot

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of stuff bothering you and you can just have a conversation with somebody who cares or can provide some wisdom isn't that what an entire industry set up with

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counseling and with therapy yes yeah yep and it's and that is helpful you know I enjoy you know the the relief that you

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find when talking to a loved one or a friend if you're if you've got some stresses or problems if you talk about it and you get it out and you know you

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can listen to other people's opinion and then put on it and what have you it's it takes a lot of the stress away it's it's it's it's stressful because you're

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holding it inside and you feel like you're the only one dealing with it right exactly and which is you know which is nonsense because everybody's

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dealing with something like that right everybody you're not like it's not a unique experience right yeah there's no and quite Frank in many ways there's

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like no unique experience right like I mean all we're all a shared experience right we're living avatars and we're we're playing this wonderful video game

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basically floating around in these bodies right suits yeah exactly but uh we all have similar experiences

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and what's amazing in life is we get to play the director the producer and to an extent with the exception of family

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members the casting director of what experience we get to experience in this world we're ultimately in charge we

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control where our feet take us we control where we drive us we control the the conversations that we have and the

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people that we put our face in front of to have those conversations I mean we're ultimately in control of Our Own Destiny

32:05

and you know like knowing that you literally have the ability to change your outlook on life

32:15

and your location and setting and everything like that should give everybody the confidence to just you know well there's a lot of fear though

32:22

and I think the fear for a lot of people you know comes down to just basic survival mechanisms right like there still is this sort of primordial you

32:31

know fear or drive that most people tend to have of I either need to be able to provide for myself or I need to be able

32:40

to provide for my family and I have to do something to do that and I think that the people who find themselves most

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particularly stuck in things that they're just not enjoying yeah don't know how to navigate their way out of

32:56

that because they're afraid of well if if I were to do what I truly wanted to do right how will I be able to do this

33:04

this this this and this so the people make trade-offs on that stuff right we all do some degree right yeah we all do um but

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um the I think what is really important and I've always believed in in order to be

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able to not be in a massive situation of heavy trade-off right is to be fortunate enough to realize at

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an age at a younger age like oh this is what I love to do this is what I want to do and I'm going to spend my life doing this right yeah and everybody makes

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different commitments to that to varying degrees right you know and I think that's that's an

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important lesson to share with everybody because a lot of times people get too far down a track and they're like well [ __ ] now I have the house I have this I have that

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and I that and I'd really like to be this and it's hard to break away from where if we can train that next Generation to really understand like you got to be responsible you got to be

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productive you got to be response you got to do [ __ ] something like you can't just float around and play video right yeah you can't just be on a constant like you know who am I Journey

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right at some point in time you got to make some decisions but at the same time like try to make the decisions early on in life to to be what it is that you

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really want to be exactly because I can't think of a bigger punishment in Life or a bigger prison in life is to be stuck in a rut doing something that you

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hate for the rest of your life only what to pay your responsibilities to pay your bills right to support yourself or those

34:32

that are around you but every single day you're stuck in a cubicle somewhere and right well God bless the people that are stuck in the cubicle if you really love

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doing what you love you know that you love to do and happens to be in that cubicle great but you know yeah if we

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can get the younger population to start to figure this out and and create a clear path to avoid those pitfalls then

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it would be wonderful but I also think you know there's something you know there is something to be said for the people who do just sacrifice to do what

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they have to do you know the person in the cubicle that doesn't love being in the cubicle but being in the cubicle is putting roof over their family's head and putting food on the table you know

35:13

men and women of All Sorts have to make sacrifices in order to be responsible and provide and there is something very decent and dignified and Noble about

35:22

that there is to to but but but unfortunately in some cases it does drive people down a path where they're just like they look back on their life

35:30

and like what did I do right that that you know you don't you don't want to end up well what's funny is I actually was just reading a book on this subject just

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I just finished it a couple of days ago and you know what the book was suggesting was that you know like sadness and depression are

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two different things so sadness of course is you know something that we all experience and usually sadness is developed from a fear of you not doing

35:56

what you need to do in a certain situation and losing something but depression really is just a great rest

36:04

for your body I mean a lot of times we find ourselves again like I suggest that we're in this Avatar we're floating around in this human form

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um playing this wonderful game of life but a lot of times we're not comfortable with what this Avatar has become or the

36:21

world that is floating around this Avatar we we're not comfortable in the situations that we find ourselves in and that's unfortunately where depression

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and you know kind of stimulates from okay I agree and and I think that whatever situation

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you find yourself in I believe you're a 100 responsible for that oh a hundred percent yeah and and I and I take that

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as far as the life you were born into I believe that our spirit you know moves

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on and that these lives that we live here are are finger snaps in time that are opportunities for us to grow

37:03

and develop and experience certain things in order to be able to grow and develop our soul which is on a much longer Journey right oh of course and so

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you know a lot and I think that sometimes a shitty life might be a necessary medicine for a

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particular Soul it is and a shitty life also but people don't realize that sometimes the same events keep smacking them in the face you know it if you have

37:29

a shitty life great because guess what like you are experiencing what we are existing for and these problems that

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keep existing in your shitty life right like you continue to get the opportunity to be creative and figure out a solution

37:47

around them choose a different path exactly nobody wants a flat roller coaster those are boring as hell you want something that's got a lot of peaks

37:54

in a lot of valleys and not everybody understands that you know and and I could be dead wrong we could be sitting here talking about this and we could be

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100 [ __ ] dead wrong right yeah and that would be okay too but but the point is is yes you know like we are faced with these challenges you said something

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like your biggest you're often your biggest fear is often like the thing that you have to face on a regular basis and that is true and then the question

38:18

is okay well what what decisions are you making in the face of that right and are you doing what needs to be done in order for that thing to no longer be a fear

38:27

exactly because guess what happens if this thing keeps smacking you in the face and you pass it off to somebody else or you ignore it well guess what

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it's going to continue to do that but when you figure out a creative solution around it now you've now of course you've grown as

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a person and you know life has a way of continuing to put these problems in front of you until you figure out how to

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accomplish or defeat them I mean it's just the same thing in battle you know like now you've defeated that opponent and now you can worry about the next

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thing right and you know once you continue to grow and you as a person trust me those those situations you know

39:08

that shitty life is probably not going to keep smacking you in the face I'm curious what you think about this because you you talked about kind of a definition for depression and and listen

39:17

first I want to say I you know obviously I am not a psychologist I'm not a doctor I don't know what I'm talking about other than based other than expressing

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my opinions that have been generated over the course of my experience right to me depression is anger towards it turned inwards right I think a lot of

39:35

people and my and I've felt it at times to feel depressed because something about their life or things aren't going the way that they

39:44

want them to go right and maybe they don't have the capacity to fully understand in that moment well I'm actually making the decisions that are

39:52

creating this situation that I don't like being in right yeah and I think overall people don't like they don't

40:01

like continued failure they don't like feeling that they're getting further from their goals as opposed to close

40:08

they don't like relationships that fail all of these things that people experience as pain and sadness none of

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us really like that right but but for a lot of people and I I'm not I'm going to be very clear I am not saying

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that there isn't some sort of clinical depression that is a chemically induced I don't know right

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but what I do know is this is is that a lot of people continually choose to

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exist in a in a world that is depressing to them it's not what they want it to be right yeah and deep down there's got to

40:47

be some part of them it's like [ __ ] this I know I can push myself out of that yeah but then that self-talk comes in

40:54and they well you know but this and but that and but that and before you know it that person is back into their world that's kind of depressing and they

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didn't they didn't have the [ __ ] balls or the courage to step outside of it and do something right well and now they're angry and there's got to be a

41:10

part of themselves that's angry of course and that's an energy that creates a negativity and I think that's my that's my understanding of

41:19

what depression can be don't you think Michael Phelps would be very disappointed in himself if he was treading water for three hours rather than racing and getting to us this the

41:28

destination as fast as possible I mean nobody wants to tread water and that's really what you're talking about is you're just sitting there she's stagnant

41:35

and struggling you're still working but you're not growing you're not getting to that destination and I think that you

41:43

being stuck in that same place in the same mindset with the same outside influences smacking you in the face like

41:50

yeah that does lead to that depression well and I know that like you know with myself we're talking about the physicality thing like I've let that go

41:57

yeah I am angry at myself about that no there is a there is a continual negative self-talk that is going on with me as I

42:06

experience waking up in the morning feeling inflammation because I didn't eat the right thing and and the extra weight like there is a a voice in my

42:14

head that's like Dude what why when right and you know I think

42:23

I am sometimes foolishly waiting for this like dose of inspiration and right at the end of the day certain things the inspiration is not coming you gotta just

42:32

[ __ ] gut through the shittiness to get back on the track where then that thing becomes a joy again like right now riding my bike running or swimming not a

42:40

joy at all it's a misery what no Triathlon not right now right yeah but but at the end of the day it's like

42:49

you're either gonna do it or you're not correct so I'm talking about myself as much as anything as well I I guess a lot of people watching this are probably

42:57

going to be able to relate because the same thing that you're talking about with yourself is the same thing that's relatable to every single person on the planet we all deal with the same issues

43:05

sure some deal with more extreme cases than others but in essence we all have the same influences in life the same

43:13

things that float by our existence you know the same troubles the same difficulties varying different degrees for certain people but uh but they're

43:22

all there we all we are all living the same life experience yeah right right okay that's a perfect

43:30

segue to I know what you want to talk yeah yeah well what no no I I maybe you do I don't know so let's talk about this

43:38

let's call it this continued ayahuasca ceremony Journey that you've been on and then the recent you know let's call it new ingredients into them

43:47

you know what's funny is I'm actually doing Ayahuasca tonight yeah right so I had before I got coveted

43:55

and before the possibility of the stroke um I had done an Ayahuasca Retreat an amazing uh organization that's based in

44:03

Homestead very native American I mean Ayahuasca is completely legal uh by a Supreme Court decision for a Native

44:11

American church right it is a religious ceremony and so this is a mikasuki uh gentleman

44:20

um and his entire family I'm telling you Bo I did two nights in a row they probably have a family of like I swear

44:30

like 15 people and they're wearing their Native American headdress and complete

44:36

garment and like I have been to Ayahuasca ceremonies before and they were all joyous and wonderful but this

44:44

felt so authentic because here they are the chants that are done in my previous Ayahuasca experience and shout out to

44:51

Shaman Omar he's an absolute amazing Soul an amazing ayahuascaro but like the same chance that he memorized for these

44:59

ceremonies are the same sort of language and dialogue that this family when they talk to each other they don't talk in

45:06

English they talk in the Native American language right and uh so it was amazing I'd say both experiences uh for both

45:15

different nights were about 50 people at each one of them they hired amazing musicians they had somebody that their

45:22

job was just to keep the fire going all night long it's centered around a fire they separate the men and the women and

45:30

at least initially and um and they do a bunch of really interesting

45:37

ceremonial things like chanting and spitting on you yeah no I see your face but they they

45:45

drink this like agua de Florida or something and and and blast it like on you

45:52

to cleanse you during this like very native American religious experience where they're they're Fanning you with

45:59

feathers and leaves and doing all these chanting and everything it's it's a very glorious experience but I'd actually taken it one step deeper

46:08

um and on the second night I had uh wanted to go as deep as humanly possible and I'd been reading a lot about Terence

46:15

McKenna he is a uh how do you say this he is one of the fathers of psychedelic

46:24

um experimentation and psychedelic research back before they started putting things on the banned list in the United States I mean for those who don't

46:33

really know the the history of psychedelic research back in the 50s and 60s were like the Golden Age like I know

46:40

that like LSD and and magic mushrooms and things like that um for a lot of people that may be

46:48

watching this podcast they look at that in fear but there were very profound therapeutic uses for those where they

46:57

did a lot of psychotherapy I mean the hippies kind of took it and ran with it and unfortunately just kind of uh brought it a little too mainstream

47:05

especially during a time that we're fighting in the Vietnam War and it affected our our drafting results and the population of the war you know

47:13

you're dealing with a society that were coming off of War War II where they felt like the the effort of everybody needs

47:21

to be involved in going to war and when you have a Counter Culture at the time that is anti-war

47:28

doesn't Vibe so of course the government took that took the ability for that continued growth in that research away

47:36

but Terence McKenna was one of those forefathers in that and he had talked profoundly about doing Ayahuasca and

47:43

psilocybin mushrooms at the same time he had the deepest most profound experience but his main problem was he did a little

47:50

too much and it scared him away from doing psilocybin mushrooms again for the rest of his life and so I decided you know I've at that

47:59

point was my 11th ayahuasca ceremony and uh I I considered this very sacred

48:05

number I'm born in November so uh given the current events and the big

48:12

drastic shake-up and change up in my life I wanted to go deeper so I combined I asked and combined both of those and

48:20

uh and I went deeper in that experience than I've ever gone in my entire life I literally

48:27

felt like I had achieved Buddhist Nirvana I had the ability to meditate and I meditate all the time I meditate

48:33

almost daily and I find since the war it's it really helps Center me as a person and since my traumatic youth you

48:42

know like bubbling through my uh through you know through my subconscious I find that meditation helps re-center me and

48:51

bring me back to me but most people when they think of meditation they think about finding a quiet place and tuning out and

48:59

stopping all outside influences from affecting what they're trying to do while meditation and while during this

49:06

ceremony was going on and while I was under the influence of both of those combined I I hit a moment in time where

49:13

I was able to meditate at the deepest level and turn up the volume of everything else around me and still

49:21

operate in that space with that same level of concentration it was something that I was previously unable to do and

49:28

it is one of the qualities which makes and I'm not Buddhist by any means but just because I meditate doesn't mean that I follow every Buddhist philosophy

49:37

but I'm I'm interested in these things and what most people think of Buddhism as a religion it's not necessarily a religion

49:45

it's just it's a way of life it's a way of life about following the middle path about avoiding extremes that's why

49:53

Buddhism has this description of like a steering wheel is it's about controlling your path and

50:02

um during my meditation during these ceremonies I felt like I had achieved what most Buddhists try to achieve to

50:11

become Buddha to become Buddha Buddha there's been many Buddhas you know we're not talking about just the first Buddha but Buddha is like

50:19

it is a title that's given to you when you've reached nirvana uh you know it's not just the band name it is a it is the

50:29

ability to and live in the subconscious and unconscious basically providing yourself

50:36

a space mentally for heaven on Earth it is a level of Enlightenment uh that most

50:44

Buddhist practitioners try to reach to and uh and one of the qualities is to be everything and nothing at the same time

50:52

and in meditation you know most people try again to block you know all

51:00

distractions but to sit there and meditate and turn up the distractions and still reach that same Pinnacle or

51:07

even deeper is something that is one of the qualities that it takes to become Buddha and uh and I was very very happy

51:15

with myself that evening I'm going to try to accomplish that this evening as well yeah you're gonna do the same recipe again through the same recipe I

51:23

don't honestly don't think I'm ever going if I ever do ceremonies again in the future I don't think I'm going to deviate from that it really made all the

51:30

difference in the world yeah what yeah I I think most people um

51:38

let me let me back up I have not done Ayahuasca I would tag along tonight let's change your world

51:45

that's not a last minute no you haven't had time to prepare yourself with a diet you have a diet that leads up to it and things like that yeah that's that that's

51:53

a that's that's a big decision and by the way for anybody that does Ayahuasca that's seeing me drink out of this teacup because part of that diet is to

52:00

avoid caffeine and to avoid tea right I'm drinking peppermint tea so yeah luckily for me that's not going to affect my experience I tried to apply

52:08

you with caffeine but yeah um I have done I have I have had a few you know experiences with psilocybin

52:16

mushrooms you know a good time ago every one of them was extremely positive um I don't but if that but but I would

52:24

also say that I was you know uh late teens early twenties and so the takeaway was different at that stage in my life

52:33

than I would imagine than it would be now and and yeah you definitely have much more experiences and and many more

52:39

emotions in play now because psilocybin mushrooms they're very emotional based they very they very much amplify the

52:48

emotions that you need to express at that particular time to get them out and uh but set and setting plays an important part so if you were a young

52:56

man I would imagine you were doing them kind of in a party setting or in nature center no it was nature setting maybe once like what not party party but like

53:04

you know yeah parties but like get-togethers with friends and stuff but it was always a very safe and natural and kind of holistic experience and one

53:11

that I enjoyed tremendously just from the the visual nature of it the Sonic nature of it the you know the getting a better understanding and perspective of

53:20

of Earth and the world and I mean to me it was very clear that you know the Earth is a living thing that you know

53:28

everything sort of comes alive and it's wonderful wonderful experience I don't know how you know would would view it

53:35

now and I would I would do it again I'm curious you know because you've you know over the last year you've done this a number of times right I've done it 11

53:44

times right 11 times tonight it'll be 12. yeah right okay so at 11 12 times

53:53

what draws you back what and and and what you know is there

54:00

a compounding effect to what you're understanding about yourself yeah there is there's a compounding effect I mean sure can you do an

54:09

Ayahuasca experience and just do it once and get everything that you need of course you can but you know for me the original thing

54:16

was going to and I did it for the very first time on September 11th very important day for me

54:23

um so it was about overcoming my traumatic past again it those that don't are just catching this podcast right now

54:31

should probably watch the previous one so they kind of understand the forces that led me into giving it a try for the

54:39

first time but uh it's it's as if when you're on Ayahuasca and you're going through this ceremony and you've

54:47

set an intention your intention basically is your you know the course you want this ship to go in you know

54:56

like what you're hoping to get out of it and rather than just floating around willy-nilly and just trying to have a

55:03

great time you're really trying to say listen I'm doing this ceremony for this reason and you pick just one reason and

55:12

you want that problem to to present itself during the ceremony so you can figure out a way to be

55:20

comfortable with it or to move past it and you know as you know I've had a lot of

55:29

experiences in my life that I want to move past right that I want to grow from or I want to learn from and uh so that's

55:37

the reason why I've done it 11 times like sure the experience is amazing while you're under it because you get to experience life

55:46

with no restraints you get the the entire energy Spectrum life Spectrum uh

55:55

that you possibly can experience for a few hours at a time it's almost as if you're transported to another universe and you're floating around in an ocean

56:02

and that water is the most immense love and knowledge of your life I use this analogy thanks to my wonderful friend Tabor for telling it to me but it's as

56:11

if you get to leave and come back with a tablespoon of that water that you get to live every single day and I keep wanting to go back and getting more tablespoons

56:19

of that water because you know it's not just about going to that experience and enjoying the moment while it is but

56:26

integrating afterwards helps you develop who you are as a person every single time I've grown substantially since

56:35

doing the ceremony every single time and who doesn't want to continue to grow now I've continued to grow with other means

56:43

I'm reading a or listening to a massive amount of books now I no longer even drive in the car without listening to

56:50

some book you know audiobook and I'm working you know with my clients now with the tantric lines you were

56:59

privileged to go to the Tantra Workshop that I was teaching at but I do a lot of personal one-on-one or couples work

57:06

therapeutic sessions with my clients and the Tantra realm and each one gives me an opportunity

57:14

to understand somebody else's problems in life and figure out a creative way for them to move around it and I could

57:24

not be able to do that if I didn't have problems in my own world that I was able to find Solutions around and every

57:31

single time I go and do ayahuasca those issues are presented to me

57:38

and the road map around them are also presented to me and it gives me a vast

57:45

amount of knowledge that I can utilize to help my clients and one of the things that I I love about how the brain works

57:52

is I for years did Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I'm a Brazilian judici black belt and I love the sport and

58:00

the biggest growth that you could have in that sport is that sure you can gain

58:08

knowledge by going to classes and learning from an instructor and and getting chances to roll around and what we call rolling which is like free

58:16

sparring grappling at a hundred percent with somebody else that's that's resisting you the entire time but the

58:22

biggest growing moments for me was when I needed to learn something in order to teach it to somebody else this brain

58:31

works in a very strange way if you want to memorize something very fast start to memorize it and then teach it to somebody else

58:39

because once the brain switches from handling the knowledge and soaking it in to needing to tap into that knowledge

58:47

that's sitting in your brain and and transmute it out your mouth and convey it to somebody else it utilizes a

58:54

different part of the brain and when you start to utilize that part of the brain your you know your frontal cortex

59:01

um when you have to figure out a way that you can spit that knowledge out in a very digestible form to somebody else

59:10

that's when you truly understand what it is like that's the best way to memorize something it's been proven over and over

59:18

and over again become a teacher teach somebody you know you don't have to sign up and start teaching a class but if if you really want to know something and

59:26

you have kids even better because they need to learn any sort of knowledge they possibly can but just like

59:33

study something and then put the books away and take that knowledge and present it to somebody else

59:41

once you've presented it to somebody else and for me with my Tantra work I present it to somebody else as a creative solution for them to work

59:49

59 minutes, 49 seconds

around their issues well I it's it's the best way for me to memorize something the best way for me

59:56

to utilize that for other clients down the road it's it's profound it's it's it's wonderful and each time I go to

1:00:03

these Ayahuasca ceremonies I get to sit down with the best tutor in the world to teach me all these wonderful things it's

1:00:10

almost as as if Mother Nature is teaching me it's almost as if this goddess-like form is sitting there with me and saying listen these are the

1:00:19

problems that you've faced in life and this is your road map that you could have done things different or congratulations you did this one correct

1:00:28

or H why don't you give this a try and this will be your way that you overcome it energetically and mentally and

1:00:36

physically so you can move on and grow as a person and each every single all those 11 times it's like I've gone to

1:00:44

Harvard every time and I've learned from the best professors it's amazing it really is interesting yeah and a great way to put it and when I combine because

1:00:52

everybody calls Ayahuasca Pacha mama or Mother Earth it's as if you're you're learning from the the first mother in history like

1:01:02

this Godly goddess mother-like form who's comforting and loving you and showing you the way and when you do them

1:01:10

with Ayahuasca and psilocybin mushrooms and the entire night I felt like I was learning my lessons from both parents

1:01:19

because the mushrooms are very masculine in nature is what they say and uh and they of course they come from the

1:01:26

earth as well and it's it's as if you're sitting there in that same lecture hall and now instead of just

1:01:35

your mom teaching you now you have the benefit of both your parents chiming in and teaching you how to do something and that's what made it the massive

1:01:44

difference I mean what most people don't realize is these mushrooms you know there are three orders in the world there's the animal

1:01:51

kingdom the plant kingdom and you know the um what would you call it um mushrooms are coming from the fungi

1:02:00

Kingdom I guess so Three Kingdoms mushroom material outweighs the mushroom material that's on this Earth

1:02:09

outweighs all the animal material all the cellular animal material all the animals combined I'm talking insects I'm

1:02:16

talking humans I'm talking cows I'm talking crocodiles I'm talking every animal that's living right now

1:02:23

and you combine that with all the world's the mass of all the world's trees and you put those together well guess what fungi

1:02:32

still outnumbers in total volume still outnumbers us the oldest living organism

1:02:39

on Earth A fungi the largest living organism on Earth I believe it's an

1:02:46

organ is a fungus that lives underneath an entire Forest that's all one fungus

1:02:53

they're all interconnected it's like a super highway Network there's a really good documentary called fantastic fungi

1:03:00

that's on Netflix by Dr Paul stemmets this guy is this a Super Genius who wasn't trained in

1:03:09

uh dealing with you know learning and teaching you know fungus and mushrooms but he is the world's leading expert on

1:03:17

it as an amateur he was trained and educated in something else but is this the documentation he's a psychologist that's how that there are these almost

1:03:25

like um nervous systems of fungus below the forest that are used as a means for the plants and trees to communicate

1:03:33

that's the exact same ones fascinating isn't it great yeah and so it gets you to think I mean there's a reason why

1:03:40

this this you know these mushrooms this fungus has this special property and this special property there's there's an

1:03:48

entire evolutionary theory called the stoned ape Theory have you heard that I think so yeah but refresh me so they

1:03:56

believe I mean the human brain over a small period had a vast Evolution and brain size capacity and it they tailored

1:04:04

down to a possibility of two things one cooked meat when you cook meat it starts to you know the fat molecules and the

1:04:13

and the the protein molecules there's a change and that over a thousand years

1:04:19

just the the extra those Pro that change in those proteins help change the course

1:04:27

of the evolution of a species the same thing for mushrooms and we're dealing with for those that are creationists you

1:04:35

know you might want to close your ears right now but uh for those that are evolutionists you know we came out of the Great Horn of Africa and on those

1:04:43

planes even to this day you've got massive herds of animals what do animals do that are eating plants all day they

1:04:51

they [ __ ] here we are talking about [ __ ] twice in one podcast they [ __ ] well what grows out of that [ __ ] those mushrooms

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yeah well before we were these amazing Hunters before we had tools bows and arrows before we had Spears before we

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had even clubs we were scavengers just like wolves just like hyenas you know we relied on other animals to make

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the kill and then we would pick those bones apart if we could Chase those animals away well if if if these early humanoids

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these early hominids are walking around a Plane full of tons of animals that are producing tons of manure that are

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producing tons of mushrooms and they're picking things off the ground to try to find out if they're edible over

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thousands of years well there's a very good likelihood that they're picking up these mushrooms and having these experiences and so the

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stoned ape theory for anybody that you know is inspired to want to research about it there's a very and I'm an idiot

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trust me there are many more smarter men than me that have figured this out and have done the actual research on it um they believe that mushrooms

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contributed to that that explosion in our brain size because we were Ground dwelling primates

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it just like just you know in the same manner as as gorillas um that's the reason why gorillas share

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a large DNA you know percentage to us compared to some of the other great apes or

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continue we're a crossbreed aliens came down and

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that's that's I'm not saying that the it's a good likelihood about that I'm not saying that this Stone Dave thing didn't didn't contribute to a continued

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sense of evolution but there is a clear demarcation in history when we went for literally thousands of years living in caves using stone tools and the most

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rudimentary basics of communication and then literally it's almost like overnight there's a massive

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flourishing of the human species on the planet Earth yeah back to the Fertile Crescent and it's like all of a sudden you have written languages cities

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civilizations governments education it like yeah almost like almost overnight

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oh you're right I mean we we really kind of leave that gap between neanderthals and stone age to early Mesopotamia

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nobody really talks about the bridge that happened between the two but we've got was that I can't pronounce it

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gehegly teply or whatever that Lost Civilization that they had found that predates Mesopotamia that has these amazing Stone carvings and amazing like

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precise carvings like I don't know I mean I I believe that's a possibility as well but we'll never

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truly know I could watch as many ancient alien documentaries on the History Channel as I possibly can but uh you know I mean I don't know maybe a

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cultivation of of those three things maybe it was meat meat mushrooms and Aliens I mean it could it could be a

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large listen I mean it's it's never one thing there's always a number of of ingredients in any recipe that that that

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cause you know I am a I am a I am a believer in that extraterrestrial

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life oh yeah absolutely and I'm and I am a believer that they're um that our species is a genetic

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genetically engineered species that's what I believe right based on what I've read and what I've been exposed to that's what I choose to believe at this

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point until some information comes along and either suggests that that's not accurate or or um or otherwise that's that's that's

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where I operate and I still I believe in God I believe in a lot of you know I I believe in a lot of the basic

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fundamental things that are considered regular right yeah but when it comes to you know the the creation and evolution

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of our species that I do tend to fall into that camp yeah I mean I I gotta say

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I mean I'm firmly in the stoned ape Theory thing too but uh I've watched and

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I've read uh Chariots of the god uh amazing amazing um book and of course the the they've got the video documentary about it as

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well um Graham Hancock I think the author's name was I mean he really he was the first to really start talking about the

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fact that these ancient civilizations really had some influence and I gotta say I mean if you look at the hieroglyphics and there's a lot of very

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strange things that are that are pretty presented with strange beings and strange flying crafts and things like that and not just in one culture or

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civilization for a multitude of different ones from around the world well the book that I read most of was the 12th Planet by Zechariah sitchin

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okay and he's you know some people think he's the greatest other people think he's a total fraud you know I mean just go figure yeah but he was uh he was a um

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a scholar of the ancient languages and he was able to he his thing is that he was able to decipher and translate you

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know the ancient text and cuneiform that were found in Mesopotamian Samaria and told of this you know this story and so

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that's you know that's one of the pieces of information that you know that has helped shape my you know thought process

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on this but again it's just like you know we all have our viewpoints and our opinions and I love the number 12 and I hate to say it because I I don't mean to be looking at my watch but unfortunately

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I have a call at two that I have to be on so I I I I I feel that I have to kind of tie us down a little bit here tie us

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up you know temporarily um before I would like to because I'd like to delve into this topic but

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um the 12th Planet you know was based on this theory that there were actually 12 celestial bodies right and

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um and that it you know counted in our solar system let's see it was a earth no

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the Sun Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn

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Uranus Neptune Pluto I think they counted the moon in there and one other thing but that there was a larger yeah

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no there was 11 right but the 12th Planet was a much larger planet that that orbited through our solar system on a

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large elliptical yeah I see and that's where the great civilization lived right and it and and this whole story you know

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talks about how Earth was formed how the asteroid belt came to be you know how plate tectonics and like all

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it's more than just alien stuff but that really grasps me but I'm I know what I'm going to be Googling and listening to on the ride back home yeah check check it

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out you know and there's a lot of people that say it's all horseshit and maybe it is but I you know we all choose our stories isn't that what life is great

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about I mean like we're creative thinkers I mean we can't always just accept the narrative I mean trying to

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figure these things out you know just like you playing the guitar while your wife is away and worrying about and stressing you know like diving deep into

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making yourself a better musician hey sometimes it's great to have a hobby here it's great to have something that you're like hey I want to really dive

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into this and try to get a good knowledge of it because creative thinking is important so I share this with you today on the day of your 12th

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yeah journey I share with you this concept of the 12th Planet written by Zechariah sitchin and you can I'll visit

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that 12th Planet Ai and and take a look around yeah I'll tell you what I find I look I look forward to hearing hearing

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the reports and again I hate to wrap us up I really don't want to because I think there's a lot that we can talk about but I also need to provide proper time for me to transition back into my

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day job I understand as a advertising guy for the retail car business makes sense Jason I appreciate you man it's

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been nice spending more time with you and I appreciate it as well as well and I wish you a very safe and spiritual

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journey this evening and may it may continue to reveal what it is that you are learning about yourself thank you

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very much I'm happy that you had me out today great I appreciate it all right cool thanks Jason until next time thank

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you very much all right foreign